EMAIL THE PRESS
Unallocated future doctors!
Doctor lottery experiment turns into farce!
£250,000 taxpayers money to train each one of us - then we enter the doctor application lottery!
Surely at £250,000 a medic - we would get an interview for a job- don't be silly!
Surely a new system would be fairer to all concerned - nope!
Surely the system would be transparent - nope!
Surely their would be enough jobs for those applying - nope!
Surely the applications would be audited - nope!
So why would the organisers be discussing their unfair system with their lawyers?
ARE THEY WORRIED - THEY SHOULD BE!
posted by Medic at 11:17 AM
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USE FREEDOM OF INFO ACT TO ASK FOR SPECIFIC BIT OF INFO TO SHAME THEM AND SHOW WHAT AN UNFAIR AND UNSAFE SYSTEM THIS IS:
(1) What is cost of running this system. Ask for salaries of all those involved in MDAP.
(2) How many people applied via MDAP ask this to be broken down by UK, EU and NON-EU
(3) How many people placed in round 1 again UK, EU and NON--EU
(4) Ask for a break down of the number of people given points of 0, 1, etc up to the max no of points ie distribution of thousands of students in a very tight point range.
(5) How many places were decided by the computer lottery ie people with same score going for same place.
(6) How many places left unfilled.
(7) How many UK students left without a place.
(8) How many EU AND NON-EU students left in system for round 2.
(9)How many complaints they have received about MDAP.
(10) Ask them to release all internal correspondance relating to MDAP complaints.
(11) How may application forms they have crossed checked against primary data.
(11) How many references they have checked so far.
(12) How may people who gave personal reasons for staying in particular area have been validated.
EVERYONE MUST WRITE AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ITS CALLED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT NONE OF THIS INFO IS EXEMPT-LETS FORCED THEM INTO ANSWERING QUESTIONS THEY WOULD RATHER NOT.
IT TIME TO SHAME THE MDAP.
Lets show the world that the MDAP is an unchecked, unvalidated, unfair lottery system and that it must go not tomorrow but now.
BBC WEBSITE What do you want to talk about?
LINK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2804227.stm
WE SHOULD ALL EMAIL THEM ABOUT MDAPAND ASK THEM TO INVESTIGATE GIVEN THE LINKS FOR ALL THE FORUMS
Surely if round 2 is still open to all comers ie EU and NON-EU grads what gurantee is there that there will be enough jobs for us all.
Aren't they legally obliged to have enough jobs for uk grads, without FY1 posts we cant get full registration.
I am going through 2nd round of allocation as well. I applied to Trent deanery. It's was never a hugely popular deanery in the past.
However, this year...
I have contacted the deanery and was told that there were 13 students from Nottingham University who didn't get a job...that's excluding everyone else who're not from Trent (students from another deanery, applying off-scheme to Trent)...which apprently the number is quite big and hugely exceeding the number of jobs left in Trents.
According to the deanery, there are altogether 270 MDAP and 221 Non-MDAP jobs left for the rest of us...yes, for the rest of the applicants (both UK, EU and Non-EU graduates) However, they couldn't tell me exactly how many students in the whole UK who didn't get a job.
As for the scores, nope... They are not telling me anything. And they are not reviewing anyone who scored 21 and above. Only those with scores 20 and below will get their forms reviewed. And your score stays the same from what's scored previously by your Primary Deanery.
I know staff at my deanery are doing their best to help us because two of the person-in-charge are actually consultants whom I have worked under with in the past 12 months. They are unwilling to tell me my score as they were specifically told not to but they are pursuing on this matter. They wanted to tell me the score because that will help me in making my choices in the second round. All they said was this 'Of those applying for jobs in the first round, your score is approximately in the middle, and it is comfortably above 20. I am very sorry if in the second round, it turns out to be nothing like the rotation that you wanted'.
They are not hugely helpful at this stage...but at least better than the Nottingham medical school faculty. They don't want to get involved at all!!!
And this is just 'great' for me, as I am having my final exams starting on 20 March. Just exactly what I want to have right before finals!!!
Just another info...the second round will be opened on 1 March 2006...that's what was told by my deanery...
WE SHOULD ALL REQUEST AND GET OUT MARKS AND SCORING SHEET PLUS A COPY OF OUR APPLICATION, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE MARKING PATTERN-IF THERE ARE OBVIOUS DISPARITIES THIS WILL LEAVE THEM OPEN TO A LEGAL CHALLENGE.
HAS ANYONE WRITTEN TO THEIR FOUNDATION SCHOOL AND REQUESTED AN APPEAL? AGAIN THE PAPERWORK FROM MMC SAYS THIS HAS TO EXIST.
WE SHOULD ALL WRITE AND FORMALLY REQUEST THIS SENDING THEM THE RELEVANT QUOTE-A LINK TO THE DOCUMENT IS IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS SITE.
MANCHESTER STUDENTS PREPARE LETTER FOR PRESS
The introduction of MDAP (Multi Deanery Application Process) - an anonymous online job application process set up by Modernising Medical Careers - has left numerous high quality medical students without posts.
Medical students previously made informed choices prior to application based on relationships they had formed with consultants during their five years of training. In this way students could apply to work for consultants they liked and respected, in areas they may have wished to pursue as a career. Likewise, consultants could choose to employ graduates they trusted and knew to be interested in their area of expertise, taking into account reports on students from their colleagues. Positive reports from clinical placements do not form any part of the MDAP system, removing this choice from both students and consultants.
We were required to compress five years of hard work and dedication into an online form. Less than ten percent of the marks were awarded according to academic achievements as undergraduates. Some students who scored badly on the form have been told they must complete a further assessment before a job offer will be made, despite the fact that they have gained honours grades and excellent reports at medical school. This clearly undermines our medical training and is obviously wrong.
Interviews were abolished, removing the opportunity for verbal communication skills to be assessed. There is so much emphasis placed on effective face to face communication in the medical profession, yet when applying for jobs, our ability in this area is not evaluated.
We have been left wondering why we have been working so hard for the last five years. Our exam success and commitment to studies has been overlooked in favour of irrelevant extra-curricular activities. Students with low exam scores and poor attendance records could score more highly on this computerised system than conscientious students. This is very difficult to accept or understand. Has the time spent improving our clinical skills and forming relationships with patients and professionals been wasted?
The system has been strongly opposed by the vast majority of students, including successful applicants. The allocation of jobs has become a lottery, the outcome of which is unacceptable for students, patients and the NHS.
At this time, students should be focussing on finals, yet ten percent are wondering whether they will get posts. Only 530 jobs remain for the 660 unlucky applicants. For those who do get a job there is further uncertainty. Students from popular areas such as London, Manchester and Birmingham may be forced to move as far away as Scotland or Northern Ireland to ensure they can secure a job.
Those of us without jobs are of course shocked, upset and dismayed that this has happened. However, there is a distinct feeling amongst us that this is not a surprising outcome. The problems with MDAP were clear to us from the outset. As our objections and concerns were either ignored or placated with false reassurances, we could only hope that we would not be the ones to fall foul of such an ill thought out scheme. We are victims of a flawed system. MDAP does not work. Sadly, many student doctors have been left disheartened before their careers have begun.
Please email mdapstudents@yahoo.co.uk if you agree with this letter and are willing to back its publication in a major national newspaper.
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